i love how tolkien literally goes out of his way to point out that all the good, pure, and beautiful characters are light-skinned/white people (see: Galadriel, the Elves in general, the Rohirrim — who all happen to be super white and super blonde… wtf)
whereas all the villains, all the ugly,…
Well I guess you have to take into consideration the time period Tolkien lived in and racism wasn’t really a problem. Anyway, white as pure and black as evil has been an extremely common motif throughout all literature since basically the beginning of time; it isn’t unique to just him.
It can also be argued that since good and bad are relative, the “white” people are only good since they’re the main characters of the story and we sympathise with them. Orcs are black because rotten, dirty flesh usually isn’t white. Charcoal and soot are also black and i d k their base is right near a volcano
But honestly I don’t think you can expect Tolkien to be some sort of revolutionary racial-equality supporter when taking into consideration the time period he lived in. And anyway if you claim using white as a motif for good and black as a motif for bad is racist you should be outraged at more than half of historic and modern literature in general.
what the fuck did i just read
“racism wasn’t really a problem”
have you never touched a history book in your life
have you not heard of segregation, Jim Crow, imperialism/colonialism, apartheid, etc. etc. etc??
and just because the whole white = good/black = evil motif is common in literature/media in general doesn’t mean it isn’t problematic and, yes, extremely racist.
i don’t even know what the fuck you’re trying to say in that second paragraph but that was one of the most racist/colorist things i have ever read and it doesn’t even make sense.
dark/black skin has been and is still vilified and treated as if it’s dirty, disgusting, and somehow impure, whereas lighter skin is treated like it’s more beautiful and civliized.
but noooo, tolkien/all these other authors who do this are totally not racist amirite?
and when did i say i was singling out tolkien as a white supremacist scumbag? a shitload of [WHITE] authors did this and still do (such as C.S. Lewis and Rudyard Kipling) — and they all fucking suck
so yes, i am outraged at most historic/modern western literature. white authors pull this shit all the time.
and sure, i can’t “expect” tolkien to be super liberal or socially aware — i mean, he’s a cishet white guy, so i can’t expect much from him to begin with. but the fact that tolkien wrote these in the 1930s-1950s doesn’t fucking matter — IT’S STILL INCREDIBLY RACIST/PROBLEMATIC.
go regurgitate whiteness somewhere else
You can’t expect the average person to randomly support racial equality if they were born into a society where that was mostly unsupported by their families and peers. Many people did, but to be mad and single out individual people is idiotic.
By “racism wasn’t a problem in the time” I meant that if you picked a random white person from 1940 and asked them if they experienced any heavy racism towards them, chances are they would say they didn’t. I meant it wasn’t a problem to Tolkien in his time. Jeez. You seem to either have a lot of enmity towards white people or a lot of self hate.
Your outrage at HISTORIC FUCKING WRITING for being racist is completely irrational. That’s the way society was; it isn’t like that anymore. But you can’t change or hide the past. American society back then is, and probably still is, racist. But getting angry reading books from that time for seeing racist or pseudo-racist content is fucking stupid.
I’m half Asian too, and I never found a problem with the part that Tolkien wrote about Orcs having “features of the ugliest Mongoloid” or whatever either. Not that it matters. It was racist sounding, but maybe he was racist. And getting mad at a white male in early/mid 1900’s America for being racist is like getting angry at a fire for burning you even when you tell it not to.